Europe III: April F-EU-Ls

[Lebowski]

How anyone could be in denial about Corbyn is beyond me.

Having a read through that, how could they even THINK about this in the uk, let alone WRITE it down. Isn’t this in writing grounds for sedition?

baseless conspiracy theories, there's about as much truth in the above as your average sun hit piece, unions are bad apparently and having publicly owned services that are government run make your country communists. Lots of countries run there own infrastructure, (power, rail, postal ect) and it puts profits back into the country and helps to keep their services up to date rather than running them purely for shareholders and ceo's bank balances.

[Dogg Thang]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live




Chris Grayling, Transport Secretary, just comes out and outright says what May etc are likely aiming to target all this mess at

He says if the UK leaves with no agreed deal it will be all the EU's fault. The DUP's leader has also this morning pretty much said the same thing.

Just look at what they made you do.

[MartyG]

Just look at what they made you do.

Who couldn't see that one coming a mile off - these people will NEVER take responsibility for anything they do.

[Dogg Thang]

We in Ireland at least know what we’re doing post-Brexit: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/201...or-everything/

[gIzzE]

baseless conspiracy theories, there's about as much truth in the above as your average sun hit piece, unions are bad apparently and having publicly owned services that are government run make your country communists. Lots of countries run there own infrastructure, (power, rail, postal ect) and it puts profits back into the country and helps to keep their services up to date rather than running them purely for shareholders and ceo's bank balances.

Have you not see the videos of McDonnell posted over the years?

They last updated that manifesto in 2011. What it shows is where they really want the country.

McDonnell has admitted he is a Marxist, he has said that he would like to see the UK fail and hit a recession so hard that the only way to recover is for the government to take over all the businesses and start a true socialist state.

Vote for those at your peril.

[noobish hat]

Whereas the Tories are doing a bang up job. Country's never been more stable has it.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/05/theresa-may-wont-seamless-border-northern-ireland-brexit-belfast

May causes a revival of Brexiter Tory distrust in her with her comments in Ireland yesterday about the backstop.

At this point I feel like they should just ignore what she says, she just says whatever gets her through today and into tomorrow at this point. The vast majority of her comments on her position don't align together at all, she's going to just stick to bringing back the same deal she had last time hoping MP's will cave in

[Dogg Thang]

The border issue is really clear: there is either a hard border or there isn't. These are mutually exclusive situations. And she has basically promised both. Shrodinger's border.

[Neon Ignition]

That's the irony, when she says she won't allow a border to happen she thinks she's referring to her deal getting through but she's in fact ruling out No Deal definitively which means if her deal doesn't pass the next vote then cancelling Brexit or going to a second referendum become the next default option which is counter to her whole position and arguably make her deal near impossible to pass. She just has zero credibility at this point so how she expects the EU to look at her comments and take them seriously is a mystery.

[Dogg Thang]

This is what I honestly don't get. She has to know that these things can't all happen. Even if she wasn't like this, they couldn't happen. It's not just her who can't pull this off - she is being blocked at every turn. And yet instead of just throwing her hands up and walking away like any sane person, she keeps going and keeps saying stuff she can't deliver on. It baffles me. Either she really is that dim or she thinks she is going to gain personally somehow from this deadlock.

[Lebowski]

Vote for those at your peril.

Vote at your peril

You post like a Daily Mail headline, what sort of Peril are we talking about, damsels on train lines, dastardly schemes maybe, nope your talking about publicly owned infrastructure run for the UK and not Shareholders, its hardly some evil master-plan. I don't get how you think short term gain (selling off public services) compared to an actual income, (services run with the profits going back into the service and infrastructure) is such an evil system.

The money made out of our sale of our postal service recently was an absolute disgrace and made some people very very rich and whats the after effect of this a massive hike in postage costs and a worse service for the public. its the same over and over again, Power massive profits and massive increases in average bills. Rail run bare bones with services, late, crowded and expensive.

[noobish hat]

Vote at your peril

You post like a Daily Mail headline, what sort of Peril are we talking about, damsels on train lines, dastardly schemes maybe, nope your talking about publicly owned infrastructure run for the UK and not Shareholders, its hardly some evil master-plan. I don't get how you think short term gain (selling off public services) compared to an actual income, (services run with the profits going back into the service and infrastructure) is such an evil system.

The money made out of our sale of our postal service recently was an absolute disgrace and made some people very very rich and whats the after effect of this a massive hike in postage costs and a worse service for the public. its the same over and over again, Power massive profits and massive increases in average bills, run bare bones with services, late, crowded and expensive.

But but but the good of the country

[Neon Ignition]

At this point it feels like it's personal pride. Less that she cares about the quality of the deal, more just ensuring Brexit happens under any circumstance so that she won't personally feel like she failed to deliver it, not caring at all about the after effects as she'll have pulled a Cameron by then

[gIzzE]

Whereas the Tories are doing a bang up job. Country's never been more stable has it.

Well Brexit has not helped things at all.

That is not really the though, the problem is, we had a recession just as we had the last Labour government in, who had, and I don't blame them as no one saw the US sub prime failure happen, spent all the money.
Problem is, we had this happen at the same time the Euro nearly failed, and the whole world was shaken up, so they had to put in some serious austerity measures just to keep a credit rating in place for the country that allowed us to continue and not collapse.


Now, as much as Brexit scars people, just about everyone agrees that a Corbyn/McDonnell government would be even more disastrous for the UK. So many corporations would pull out of the UK, far more than from Brexit.

How do you think the current Labour government being in power would benefit the country?

On Brexit, what is it that Labour are offering that would be better than we have had so far?


Corbyn is a back bench far left politician who has spent his career pointing out what other people have done wrong, that is easy, you just need enough idiots to sit there and say "Oooh, he's right you know? Brilliant."
Anyone can do that.
Not once has he said what he will do, well that is not fair, he has a couple of times, but every time he does everyone says "But Jeremy, that is not possible."

He is also about as two faced as you can get, he will say whatever is needed to try and get power. Just look at him backing the IRA saying we need to step in, but when it comes to Venezuela, a country whose people are eating out of bin bags and buying rotting meat (also a country with the largest oil reserves on the planet) he is saying we should not interfere.

Look at the video of him telling Ireland there must not be a second referendum, they must try and leave the EU, but the EU won't let them leave.
Yet now he wants a second referendum.

McDonnell calls for every Tory to be taken in the streets, he calls for the UK to be a socialist state like Venezuela, the guy has always been scary, and now he is Labours second in command and you're happy with that?



But forget all that, let's pretend we don't know any of that, as so many who love the current Labour party don't.....

How do you think the current Labour government being in power would benefit the country?

On Brexit, what is it that Labour are offering that would be better than we have had so far?

[gIzzE]

You can answer too then Lebowski.

State owned and run companies have always struggled.
Look at the wastage in the NHS. I know loads of people in the NHS at very high levels, and all of them say the same thing, it is not they don't have enough money, it is how much is wasted, everyone has to have a little cut of everything.
We think the trains are bad now? Don't remember when they were state owned?