Europe III: April F-EU-Ls

[gIzzE]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nd-brexit-vote

Nearly 90% of Labour members would vote Remain in a second referendum. 72% believe Corbyn should support the option

It says 90% of party members (1034 people voted) would support a second vote against May's deal, not that 90% want to remain. I'm surprised the figure is that low.



Edit: To be fair it says...

If a new referendum was held, 88% of members would back remain, both in a two-way vote against either May’s plan or no deal, or in a three-way poll between all of them.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/05/brexit-corbyn-electoral-catastrophe-yougov-poll

Yougov has released new polls that reveal support for a Remain outcome of a second referendum continue to grow in these final days whilst also revealing that if Labour continues down its current path and ultimately, in any way, helps to facilitate Brexit the party will be completely and utterly decimated by voters.

[gIzzE]

I do agree with you in that regard, the points you mention are all something I do agree with.

I was meaning more the lack of financial sovereignty is where the issues arise.

Until we have have sovereign control over finances though we can't really have a fair central government, there is too much backlash when those in trouble feel those governing them are not doing what is best for them.

Chicken and egg.

I watched a very interesting video last night that explained why the Euro has killed the EU project.
He explains my thoughts perfectly, and far more succinctly than I ever could.

It is from Yanis Varoufakis, the ex Greek finance minister.

Corbyn could take some lessons from this guy on how to get across why a more socialist way of life could be a benefit to the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGeevtdp1WQ&index=14&list=WL&t=3184s

It is worth watching the first 33 mins or so of the above video.

Then watch the first 50 mins of this one where he explains why we can never truly be a democracy while we have capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGeevtdp1WQ&index=14&list=WL&t=3184s

I know you all think I am some far right ****, I am not, I am a realist.

I don't want left and I don't want right, I simply want a society that is fair.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/07/may-will-win-vote-on-her-deal-on-15-january-says-brexit-minister

Having attempted to run off the clock, May's Deal will reattempt facing MP's voting next Tuesday

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/cross-party-alliance-of-mps-tells-may-we-will-stop-no-deal-brexit

MPs put a big blockade up against a No Deal outcome. Increasingly we move towards... well, an unofficial No Deal? I assume the UK will simply stop existing on 29 March at the current rate as it seems it's all about stopping every option and not actually making any new ones.

[gIzzE]

All the MPs who have been moaning that the government has not prepared for a No Deal Brexit have voted to stop them preparing for a No Deal Brexit.

Genius!

[noobish hat]

Haven't they stopped them having free reign over tax changes after leaving with no deal? How can changing taxes afterwards be considered preparation?

[fishbowlhead]

All the MPs who have been moaning that the government has not prepared for a No Deal Brexit have voted to stop them preparing for a No Deal Brexit.

Genius!

It’s the classy thing to do when your a politician.

[dataDave]

The Dutch Govt. is revving up for a NO DEAL. Today I received word about the consequences for me (British) living here with my foreign/non-EU wife.

https://ind.nl/en/Pages/Brexit.aspx#No_agreement_reached

Basically nothing much will happen even in the case of NO DEAL. My wife can stay on her existing five-year permit and then apply for a permanent one once that expires, which has always been the plan. I'll need to apply for a permit the same as all other EU members without having to jump through any of the hoops such as the integration and language exams, all it takes is a small fee (€57, I think).

So, great news for me and any other expats living here! Hopefully this will not affect our mortgage applications this year.

[noobish hat]

Things looking a bit more hopeful now lol

[Brad]

If her deal loses the vote next week they can’t vote again as that would make a mockery of democracy; she told us that when people asked about a second referendum so we’ll know our fate soon enough. Very exciting!

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/10/corbyn-says-labour-may-need-to-delay-brexit-if-it-wins-snap-election

Corbyn says they'd likely extend Article 50 if Labour won a snap election. You won't Jeremy, you'll lose and it will be the end of your leadership career, stop pushing for it you prat.

[MartyG]

Unless the EU27 agree he won't be extending anything and even if they did agree, it'd be no later than Thursday, 23 May, which is when the next EU elections are.

[Neon Ignition]

It's amazing just how little grasp of reality they all have. Labour may have its six tests but the EU is only going to give them something similar to May's deal anyway and whatever they get would hit the same wall May has. May's deal is dead, it's clear as day that MP's and Parliament is going to go all out to try and block a No Deal scenario, simple law of deduction leaves them with either cancelling it or going to another referendum.

After next Tuesday they really need to suck it up and make the situation very, very straight forward. One way or the other, time to wrap it all up.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/11/uk-faces-prospect-of-no-brexit-if-may-deal-rejected-says-hunt

Jeremy Hunt has said that if May's Deal fails next week then Brexit could end up being cancelled and if that happens it would damage the publics trust in politics for generations