iPhone thread [Archive] - Bordersdown (NTSC-uk)

fishbowlhead

01-04-2008, 12:08 PM

Ok so ive been eying up an Iphone for some time now, love the way it feels and the touch screen works so well. But having an 18 month contract with orange and the initial prices of unlocked ones i couldn't be arsed.

What i would like to know is how are they fairing price wise (unlocked) now days, can apple render them inert by releasing new firmware? and what functions are disabled by not being with o2 in the uk?

any help is appreciated.

HaHaUK

01-04-2008, 12:17 PM

J0e Musashi

01-04-2008, 12:27 PM

Cant remember where I saw this, but I think if you buy one from Carphonewarehouse website, all you pay for is the handset direct to CPW and then the tariff is selected through iTunes once you get your iPhone, therefore if you have no plan to sign up for the 18 month tariff you could effectively unlock it yourself and have an unlocked one for the price of the handset.

That sounds totally wrong. How can iTunes offer a tariff? It's not a mobile network. o2 handle the tariff for all iPhone contracts, it's nowt to do with Apple.
CPW do indeed sell iPhones as "handset only" but they cost around £600, so you h'ain't gonna be conning them or getting one for cheap or anything like that.

Ish

01-04-2008, 12:41 PM

No you have to sign up for the tariff in the Carphone Warehouse shop - you sign a contract there and then. The phone is activated through iTunes however and you get your phone number in an email after activation.

And yes Apple can render them inert if you install a firmware update through iTunes onto a hacked device.

CMcK

01-04-2008, 12:59 PM

If you buy an iPhone and unlock it for use with another network you would be missing out on Visual Voicemail, Edge data services and the included Cloud Wi-Fi subscription. I don't know what other providers charge for unlimited data services though.

Len

01-04-2008, 01:55 PM

All I can say is bring on the 3G version. Really, really want one but there's no way I'm using slower Edge connection...most frustrating. Surely it'll be out soon...?

As for the 18month contract, don;t think that's too bad tbh and unlimited data is very appealing.

CMcK

01-04-2008, 01:58 PM

My previous phone was 3G and ran Opera mini 4 on a QVGA screen. The browsing experience on the iPhone is so superior that I don't care it's not 3G speed. Edge is actually pretty quick. Comparable to 256k 'broadband'.

rumbletum

01-04-2008, 02:37 PM

If you buy direct from Apple you don't sign a contract (i thought it was the same wherever you bought it, maybe not), you just get the phone and sign up to o2 via iTunes when you first connect to your computer. You could unlock it before you do this and use your own sim. The easiest method I have seen is by using Ziphone, took me less than one minute.

Basically if you unlock it you lose visual voicemail, all other features work ok.

Apple could brick it by a firmware update, but they never install them automatically, you always get the option whether to install or not.

Len

01-04-2008, 02:45 PM

muddy

01-04-2008, 02:56 PM

I got mine 2 weeks ago. Better than I expected, very happy.
Not really noticed a difference between Edge and 3G for the stuff I've been looking at, and when at home or work it uses my wifi anyways so...

Gareth C

01-04-2008, 04:40 PM

No you have to sign up for the tariff in the Carphone Warehouse shop - you sign a contract there and then. The phone is activated through iTunes however and you get your phone number in an email after activation.

I got mine from the o2 shop and just paid for the handset. Choosing the tariff and setting up payment was all done in itunes.

ascender

01-04-2008, 05:14 PM

Edge is perfectly usable and not as slow as people expected or still claim it to be. The reason I went for an iPhone is because its mobile email and web client are second to none in terms of usability IMO. The screen and quick zoom really help in terms of browsing full web pages. Once the 3rd party apps start to appear, its really going to unlock the potential of it.

I was really disappointed that MMS was missed out. But now I don't miss it as its become force of habit to just email people pics instead and as your contacts are synched between your PC and phone, more contacts tend to have email addresses attached to them.

Downsides? Bluetooth is limited at the moment (you can't send files via BT for example), but you have email, so maybe that's not important to you? I think the picture quality from the camera is quite good, but its certainly not up to the standard of the Sony Ericsson phones from the last couple of years.

The 3G phone will come along this year apparently, but I'm not sure if its worth waiting for. Like all things tech, if you want or need it now, buy it now. Otherwise you'll always be waiting for the next thing to come out. The one thing I would say is that Apple kit at least has a decent resale value, so even if the new iPhone comes out, you'll still be able to sell your old iPhone on to someone.

Have a play with one in a shop alongside something like an N95 and see what you think. The unlocking market will always react quickly to future firmware updates and you do get asked if you want to install a new update when it becomes available so there's no reason to worry about that side of things although it might get frustrating if you have to wait to be able to use some of the updates which are released.

fishbowlhead

01-04-2008, 05:23 PM

I have to say i was impressed with it when i was playing with one in the apple store the other day. Shame the visual voice mail doesn't work away from o2, i take it its an o2 specific service then? and i wouldn't use the edge network as i have wireless routers almost everywhere i go anyway.

I did notice that the touch screen is so far ahead of everything else ive used as well, got a very nice tactile feel to it even though theres no feedback from it if that makes sense. Considering that the camera was only 2 mp it was also very good, mast have a high quality lens in it. Also liked the fact that the email log in screens comes up straight away on the email section, just click who your with and log in straight away, very handy!

Fei Fong Wong

01-04-2008, 06:20 PM

3G iPhone will likely be announced (& possibly released) in June at WWDC. All signs point that it is in advanced stages of development with even manufacturing contracts being up for grabs already. If you don't need it now and can wait till then do so. If you need a new phone and want the iPhone now go get one now.

In terms of unlocking there are several tools out there including Ziphone (http://www.ziphone.org/) and the soon to be released Pwnage Tool (http://wikee.iphwn.org/) (video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuKQw6L6Rk)). These tools unlock (that is allow use on a different network) and jailbreak (allow you to run unsigned application) current firmware. Using these tools is not strictly illegal but you are breaking the Apple licence agreement if that bothers you.

Unlocking the phone for another carrier also means you won't get Visual Voicemail because it depend on server-side software as well as the phone application and only O2 has this set up in the UK.

Sarkster

04-04-2008, 02:08 PM

Ive had mine about a month. Its sim unlocked and jailbroken. Done with Ziphone in about 3 minutes.

Ive got a few extra apps on there from the installer package and am chuffed to bits with it (in fact I just posted as much in another thread - ill be called out as a mac fanboy next!)

Im on an O2 simplicity plan so I still dont get the visual voicemail despite being on O2 but no huge loss there and as someone has previously mentioned, EDGE web browsing is nowhere near as slow as I thought it would be.

EvilBoris

04-04-2008, 02:16 PM

I got one a couple of days ago and I really like it. Occasionally I'm dissapointed by the lack of things that are fairly standard on phones (such as being able to change your SMS tone) but there are often programs you can use to sort those kind of things out.
I'm with T-mobile and just using the GPRS which is fine, having pages I can read easily is much better than the 3G low res offering my previous phone had.

Sarkster

04-04-2008, 03:05 PM

I can change the Txt sound on mine, if thats what you mean.

EvilBoris

04-04-2008, 05:05 PM

YOu can't use a custom one though can you?

Ish

04-04-2008, 10:57 PM

I can't say I've tried it but I thought you could - but you need to do it through GarageBand on an Apple.

Silvergun X

04-04-2008, 11:01 PM

At the moment, you can change the ringtone on your phone to a custom one but you can't change the SMS tone to a custom one.

It's a strange procedure, but perfectly easy to make a 20 second ringtone out of any music, mp3 or acc, that's on your itunes list.

Nu-Eclipse

05-04-2008, 11:03 AM

My T-Mobile contract ended in January, I'm tempted by an iPhone on O2, but I'll "probably" wait for the 3G iPhone to arrive.

EDGE isn't bad at all, but 3G it simply aint.

On The Edge of Insanity

05-04-2008, 08:11 PM

Waiting for the 3G one to hit later in the year, but its a definite purchase once it does arrive.

Nu-Eclipse

16-04-2008, 07:22 PM

8Gb iPhones are now available for £169 from O2 and Carphone Warehouse, a £100 price cut.

Perhaps even more tellingly, this offer is running until June 1st - there can only be one reason for this, surely?

Fei Fong Wong

16-04-2008, 08:36 PM

3G iPhone at WWDC

Katsujinken

16-04-2008, 08:39 PM

there is an new one :o

KIT786

17-04-2008, 12:18 AM

For those not bothered about 3G you can get the iphone even cheaper if you go through quidco, as you get £100 cashback for all O2 contracts!!

Bleeders

17-04-2008, 09:39 AM

I heard CPW are slicing a cool £100 off the iPhone now.

J0e Musashi

17-04-2008, 09:49 AM

Yers, it's £169 now, although that is only because the 3G-enabled one is imminent.

If anyone is interested, there are 3 handsets about to be released by LG that all MDK an iPhone.

fishbowlhead

17-04-2008, 10:05 AM

If anyone is interested, there are 3 handsets about to be released by LG that all MDK an iPhone.

How so?

J0e Musashi

17-04-2008, 10:37 AM

Well I'm not allowed to give any real details, but they all do everything (and more) that iPhones do, only fasterer and betterer. The highest specced one is particularly lovely.

fishbowlhead

17-04-2008, 12:21 PM

Well I'm not allowed to give any real details, but they all do everything (and more) that iPhones do, only fasterer and betterer. The highest specced one is particularly lovely.

I've used the LG Viewty and thought the touch screen was crap in all honesty, very unresponsive, hopefully there new models don't reek of rush job.

Bleeders

17-04-2008, 12:25 PM

I actually prefer the Viewty to an iPhone myself, looks quite sleek.

saif

17-04-2008, 05:28 PM

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me, does an iphone actually do anything different to a phone that you can get for for free (I dunno, a nokia xxx or SE-xxxx) that means it should be worth £270 more than them?

wakka

17-04-2008, 06:00 PM

Short answer: no.

Long answer: It does everything the same except more slickly and quickly. There aren't any more features to be added to phones now, really. High resolution cameras, email, web browsing, yadda yadda. They've all got it. It's just who does it best.

CMcK

17-04-2008, 06:04 PM

What the iPhone does well is it's really easy to use and has the best mobile internet this side of a laptop. Not to mention it's a damn good iPod as well. Then look at the potential when the Application Store opens in June.

ascender

17-04-2008, 08:59 PM

The things that the iPhone do better than other handsets I've tried recently are the mobile web and email. The full browser, when combined with the high res touch screen is fantastic. I think that's the parts which other phones need to try to catch up with and better, but of course its going to be interesting to see what else is added in with version 2.0 and by 3rd parties.

fishbowlhead

18-04-2008, 06:37 PM

Seriously considering getting one of these now. My new replacement k850i has died again and im sick to death of it, ive got insurance on my account so can just get it replaced if anything breaks, but thats not the point.

What's the reliability of the iphones? i obviously don't want to fork out for a unlocked one and it breaks and can't be replaced, and apple would obviously not do a thing for a broken unlocked iphone even in warranty.

EvilBoris

18-04-2008, 06:39 PM

Well you've got insurance that covers your phone to it's probably irrellevant isn't it?

I think you can easily undo the unlocking anyhows before sending it away.

Salsa Party Animal

18-04-2008, 06:57 PM

I want one for MP3 player and internet / text messaging but I am going to wait until it is lot cheaper. For now it is too much and not enough space on hard drive.

EvilBoris

18-04-2008, 06:59 PM

I doubt they will drop in price that much to be honest, they have been selling them through then releasing replacements. Just like Ipods. An Ipod touch 16GB will set you back £250 still

DavidH

18-04-2008, 07:01 PM

Touch's are coming down, bought 16GB one for someone's birthday the other day £215 delivered

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132368

fishbowlhead

18-04-2008, 10:44 PM

Well you've got insurance that covers your phone to it's probably irrellevant isn't it?
.

You'd think so but after 7 w880i and now on my 3rd k850i (in just over a week) its slightly grating now ringing up for a replacement that will inevitably break. I had a w810i for 2 years and not a single problem ever, now nothing but problems.

Oh well such is life, ive had my vent for the day now :rolleyes:

Extra Terrestrial

19-04-2008, 10:52 AM

DavidH

19-04-2008, 10:56 AM

Nope you need to sign up to a £35 (?) a month 02 18 month contract to get the phone at that price.

Not looked but guess the phones alone go for about £500+ on ebay.

rumbletum

19-04-2008, 11:23 AM

Nope you need to sign up to a £35 (?) a month 02 18 month contract to get the phone at that price.

Not looked but guess the phones alone go for about £500+ on ebay.

Not true.

You can buy them freely from Apple for £269, you sign up for the contract at home through iTunes.

I've seen some people saying that o2 make you sign up in store, but they definately didn't before the price cut, and there are reports on other forums that they still don't now.

Buy the phone, get it home, before connecting it to anything download ZiPhone, follow the instructions and unlock it, then chuck your Orange sim in.

weightgain

19-04-2008, 11:27 AM

I think I am one ****ing thick bugger at the moment because I seem to have missed out something you have all been talking about - on and off - in this thread.

Can I walk in an 02 store today and buy the iPhone for £169 and walk out without signing up to their ridiculous tariffs and pop my Orange Pay as You Go SIM card in the iPhone and be done with that?

Also, can you text/send messages to other people with the iPhone once unlocked?

THANKS!!

:happy:

yes. You sign a piece of paper saying you will sign up to a contract but mine,and others understanding is this is not legally inforcable. They dont even keep a copy of your signature!!I paid 169 for mine on Thursday, unlocked it 5 mind later and am writing this on my vodaphone iPhone. Very simple, and very easy.
And my god, its a lovely by of kit....

DavidH

19-04-2008, 11:28 AM

Didn't know that, I stand corrected :) bargin @ £169 in that case then.

Rossco

19-04-2008, 05:55 PM

No way! £169, I may just sell my K850i and get one! Is it easily unlockable then without bricking it?

EvilBoris

19-04-2008, 06:04 PM

Unlocking can be done in about 3 minutes with the USbcable that is in the box. For free.

teddymeow

20-04-2008, 12:53 AM

So, how much longer is this exclusive to O2? I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was a timed exclusive and other networks (most likely Vodafone) would get it once that expired.

Nu-Eclipse

20-04-2008, 01:10 PM

So, how much longer is this exclusive to O2? I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was a timed exclusive and other networks (most likely Vodafone) would get it once that expired.

Who knows? I'm guessing this will become clearer once we see the much-vaunted 3G iPhone this summer (hopefully)....

fishbowlhead

20-04-2008, 08:46 PM

yes. You sign a piece of paper saying you will sign up to a contract but mine,and others understanding is this is not legally inforcable. They dont even keep a copy of your signature!!I paid 169 for mine on Thursday, unlocked it 5 mind later and am writing this on my vodaphone iPhone. Very simple, and very easy.
And my god, its a lovely by of kit....

SOLD, did you get yours in the O2 store for £169 or online?

and what details did they take as far as what your (going) to sign up for as far as contracts are concerned?

EDIT: i take it you can still sync it to itunes after you unlock it without problems?

AaronBekir

20-04-2008, 09:02 PM

Just checked online, and you can pick it up from there, 169 and no contract to select!!! Doing this in the morning!! Nice find!!

aaron

HaHaUK

20-04-2008, 10:54 PM

EDIT: i take it you can still sync it to itunes after you unlock it without problems?

Yep, just make sure you dont update the firmware.

AaronBekir

20-04-2008, 11:05 PM

HaHaUK

20-04-2008, 11:08 PM

one last question before i purchase one, as i cant find a definative answer on the net, if i buy one, unlock it, then use my orange contract sim in it, will i be able to browse the internet, not using the wifi, just the normal 2g service?

cheers

aaron

If network settings are setup correctly, then yes. Although obviously if your current contract doesnt have any free internet browsing on it then youll be charged extra.

AaronBekir

20-04-2008, 11:10 PM

thanks kindly, my contact includes free internet so its cool anyhow. time to get one!!

aaron

fishbowlhead

21-04-2008, 12:07 AM

Yep, just make sure you dont update the firmware.

Top stuff.

MyDogSkip

21-04-2008, 12:22 AM

HaHaUK

21-04-2008, 12:59 AM

Anybody who has one of these, how is the battery life on yours? Mine seems a bit short sometimes, but other times i can run it for like 4 days. Its a bit wierd! Im using it in exactly the same way in both circumstances, but sometimes it seems to just drink juice!

What are you using it for? Mines always on iPod and the usual internet/calls and always needs a charge after a full day.

Rossco

21-04-2008, 01:31 AM

superking

21-04-2008, 09:17 AM

please delete post

fishbowlhead

21-04-2008, 09:26 AM

So is the Wi-Fi and everything still free and still work when you unlock it?

I'd need to have a word with orange as they are charging me for internet the now, and I'd probably use it tons if I got this and unlocked it.

And you can't upgrade the firmware once unlucked too? Stopping you from getting any possible cool new features Apple include for this?

Wifi on the iphone is just like adding another PC or MAC to your wireless router, I.e it wont cost you anything on the iphone to use the internet through wifi. EDGE on the other-hand will be dependent on what your phone provider charges for data usage.

As far as the firmware is concerned, form what i understand is that the guy that did ZIPhone will be unlocking each new firmware as he can, so theoretically you could still upgrade the iphones firmware. Id also like some clarification as to how this would work though as wouldn't new firmware on an unlocked iphone bork it?

joe90

21-04-2008, 09:29 AM

Can it get emails like a blackberry (I have a work one) i.e does it in anyway have support for the tech?

Sarkster

21-04-2008, 10:21 AM

Its tricky to have it receive mail from an exchange server at the moment, but software V2.0 will apparently allow mail and calendar sync over the air with exchange. It is at this point, as IT manager for a firm of solicitors, I predict the constant stream of 'I brought one of these iPhones on the weekend, make it work with my emails' from all of the solicitors.

HaHaUK

21-04-2008, 10:35 AM

Id also like some clarification as to how this would work though as wouldn't new firmware on an unlocked iphone bork it?
Yes, downloading the newer firmware through iTunes will brick the iPhone (as my friend experienced yesterday). But restoring the iPhone to factory settings and then hacking it using Ziphone gave him both the latest firmware (1.1.4) as well as a fully functioning device.

fishbowlhead

21-04-2008, 10:58 AM

Rossco

21-04-2008, 11:06 AM

Fei Fong Wong

21-04-2008, 11:16 AM

Yes, downloading the newer firmware through iTunes will brick the iPhone (as my friend experienced yesterday). But restoring the iPhone to factory settings and then hacking it using Ziphone gave him both the latest firmware (1.1.4) as well as a fully functioning device.
You can't "brick" the iPhone by just updating it in iTunes, it will just put the phone back to it's locked state. If you've had it jailbroken before the update the problem then becomes that any additional files you've installed, such as applications from installer.app remain on the phone and so jailbraking again can cause some issues for you. It is therefore best to download the latest firmware .ipsw file from Apple and do a restore to upgrade. This wipes your phone completely. Here's the ipsw downloads direct from Apple:

iPhone (http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4313.20080226.Sw39i/iPhone1,1_1.1.4_4A102_Restore.ipsw)
iPod Touch (http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-4312.20080226.Btu45/iPod1,1_1.1.4_4A102_Restore.ipsw)

Also if you are unlocking your phone to use on another carrier you shouldn't use ZiPhone. ZiPhone works by downgrading the bootloader from the current 4.6 to version 3.9 which shipped with the earliest iPhone's. To keep the 4.6 bootloader currently being shipped with iPhones use the DevTeam's tools: Mac (http://www.iphone-dev.org/) & Windows (http://www.winpwn.com/). The Windows version is currently in beta though and unlocking is still not as easy as the Mac version. All you need to know can be found here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5236436&postcount=1). That said, if all you want to do is jailbreak then ZiPhone does that fine so don't worry about redoing it if you already jailbroke with ZiPhone.

The DevTeam's tools currently work with the beta of firmware 2.0 too so there is hope that Apple won't be able to plug it in the next software release in June or any future releases. It works because it allows you to patch the ipsw before you install it on the phone allowing you in essence to run customised firmware.

fishbowlhead

21-04-2008, 12:55 PM

I don't think I can get any kind of unlimited internet browsing with Orange unfortunately. So if I can't do that, it would probably be pointless to get this as I'd use the internet tons and because of the huge chunky screen it will prob download everything at full sizes etc so my bill would go through the roof! :lol:

Im pretty sure unlimited browsing with orange is only £5 per month, thats what they offered it to me a while ago, which isn't bad value when you look at it. If you can get that deal then its probably worth it (presuming your on contract and not payg that is)

MyDogSkip

21-04-2008, 07:50 PM

What are you using it for? Mines always on iPod and the usual internet/calls and always needs a charge after a full day.

Well, mainly i just use it as a phone, and to check my facebook. (im so sad) I do have it on the lowest brightness to try and save on some power, but the battery life never seems consistent!

HaHaUK

21-04-2008, 07:51 PM

Got my old number ported to my new O2 sim today and havent been able to send any texts and keep getting "Error Sending Message" when the bar reaches about 80%. I can recieve texts, make and recieve calls and listen to voicemails fine, but sending messages doesnt work.

Anyone know if this has anything to do with the porting, cause I was under the assumption that it would work as soon as it was ported.

Edit: Scrap that seems to be working now :hmm:

angelox

21-04-2008, 08:08 PM

HaHaUK

21-04-2008, 08:29 PM

fuse

21-04-2008, 10:33 PM

HaHaUK

21-04-2008, 10:49 PM

I'm curious, has anyone ordered one through o2.co.uk? I'm interested in one since the price drop but can't go through CPW (don't ask), and just want to make sure they don't force you into or make you agree to any kind of contract shennanigans during the purchasing section.

Yeah I got mine from the O2 site, but this was a few days before the price drop. All I paid for was the handset itself, no forced contract at all.

fishbowlhead

21-04-2008, 10:54 PM

I'm curious, has anyone ordered one through o2.co.uk? I'm interested in one since the price drop but can't go through CPW (don't ask), and just want to make sure they don't force you into or make you agree to any kind of contract shennanigans during the purchasing section.

Ordered mine on sunday @£169.00 and you only pay for the handset itself, there's no contract information or signing up to do.

fishbowlhead

23-04-2008, 03:03 PM

Got my iphone yesterday and finally had the chance to sort it out and get it working. Used ziphone to unlock and upgrade and it worked a treat.

Have to say i really love it, feels so nice in your hand and even though its quite big compared to some phones, its not fat so you really don't notice it in your pocket.

Im looking forward to getting my new imac soon and having a big apple love in :thumb:

MyDogSkip

23-04-2008, 03:38 PM

I still love my iphone - does pretty much everything I want or need in a phone - saying that however there is a gripe:

crashes

God damnit how many times has safari crashed on me regardless of the website, makes searching the net a source of frustation. There I am waiting for Facebook to load and then it crashes back to the main screen again and again.

To be honest here, mine has never crashed, even with about 6 web pages open at the same time. It just deals with it!

However, for those using Macs with their IPhones, has anyone had the problem with some of their contacts not syncing onto the phone?

anyone know how to fix this, because ive got about 15 duplicated contacts now on my mac address book!

fuse

24-04-2008, 09:40 AM

Got mine yesterday, and set about unlocking it via the Mac PwnageTool. Despite some of the steps in the guide used confusing me a little (once you've created an ipsw you then patch it using iTunes, NOT the pwnageTool), all went fairly smoothly. Had spent the day before importing 7 gigs of music from my PC to the Mac, tagging it and finding album art etc, so was a quick job just synching it all over to the phone too. Only problem is I've gone to use it this morning and it doesn't seem to recognise the headphones that I've plugged in to it, either that or it's got a sense of humour and decided to play my music through the speakers on the bus just to make me look like a twat.

rumbletum

24-04-2008, 09:50 AM

You using standard headphones?

You do know that most standard headphones don't fit in the headphone socket without an adaptor?

fuse

24-04-2008, 09:51 AM

Uh... umm... *cough* of course I knew that...

(Cheers ;))

Sarkster

24-04-2008, 12:50 PM

I have a pair of Etymotic in ear's for my ipod, so I was a bit gutted when i discovered they wouldnt fit with my iphone. Instead of pissing about with an adaptor, I just whittled the plug down a bit with a stanley blade. Fits fine now.

DavidH

25-04-2008, 09:13 AM

16gb Touch is down to £199 delivered at ebuyer now, all these "loop hole" phones sales must have hit it's sales.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132368

Fei Fong Wong

26-04-2008, 10:36 AM

8GB at 'End of Life' according to a leaked 02 memo (http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/25/8gb-iphone-and-ipod-touch-reach-end-of-life-at-least-in-the-uk/).

DavidH

26-04-2008, 10:37 AM

Thought something must be happening as even the RRP's on ebuyer seem pretty low

Nu-Eclipse

26-04-2008, 04:32 PM

According to some, the 3G iPhone is currently being secretly tested live by a few select people lucky enough to be given pre-release units by Apple for such a purpose.

Latest 3G iPhone speculation here. (http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/25/the-second-gen-iphone-3g-gps-only-slightly-thicker/)

smokedog

26-04-2008, 04:42 PM

According to some, the 3G iPhone is currently being secretly tested live by a few select people lucky enough to be given pre-release units by Apple for such a purpose.

All phones go thru beta testing. I work for a phone developer and I get prototype phones up to a year before release to bug test.

Nu-Eclipse

26-04-2008, 04:53 PM

All phones go thru beta testing. I work for a phone developer and I get prototype phones up to a year before release to bug test.

I can appreciate that, but this is Apple, and this is the 3G iPhone, arguably the most eagerly-awaited consumer gadget of the year. They wouldn't just hand it out to anybody without burying them in confidentiality agreements and the like, surely?

[nothing]

26-04-2008, 05:14 PM

I know someone who has spent quite a bit of time with the 3G iphone recently.

Slow, buggy as hell, prone to locking up and crashing. He says it needs lots of work.

smokedog

26-04-2008, 05:19 PM

I can appreciate that, but this is Apple, and this is the 3G iPhone, arguably the most eagerly-awaited consumer gadget of the year. They wouldn't just hand it out to anybody without burying them in confidentiality agreements and the like, surely?
There will be a development team in the UK. Working closely with O2 to test network compatibility, it wouldn't be random Joes testing the phone.

Nu-Eclipse

27-04-2008, 10:47 AM

There will be a development team in the UK. Working closely with O2 to test network compatibility, it wouldn't be random Joes testing the phone.

Again, I accept that - of course random Joes wouldn't be testing the phone, but I don't believe that a full-scale, large number major dev team (increasing the potential for information leaks to the global media) would be assigned to this. Again, this is Apple and they are NOTORIOUS for the way that they keep their major projects under wraps, so perhaps it's more likely that a smaller, select group of testers would be charged with carrying out these duties, no?

;1344403']I know someone who has spent quite a bit of time with the 3G iphone recently.

Slow, buggy as hell, prone to locking up and crashing. He says it needs lots of work.

That I find hard to believe, tbh - all the evidence points to the OS and GUI on the 3G iPhone being the same as what you get on the current model. 3G connectivity really is the only thing that needs to be added, and the major problem with that the first time around (According to Steve Jobs) was battery life.

Rossco

27-04-2008, 12:57 PM

exZAKtly

27-04-2008, 01:08 PM

They need to end this exclusivity contract with O2 before I'd ever consider getting it. O2 is the most awful network I've ever used. Also, we're so used to getting phones for free, no way am I paying that much for a phone on an 18 month contract

Nu-Eclipse

27-04-2008, 01:40 PM

If thats the only thing they are adding to iPhone 2 then it's kind of a cop out, as the price will jump straight back up to the price it was a year ago, to pay for something we should have had originally anyway!

Not necessarily - bear in mind that the 3G iPhone is unlikely to come in an 8Gb size (hence the current 1st-gen, 8Gb iPhone £169 offer), so it probably would have been priced at a higher end anyway.

They need to end this exclusivity contract with O2 before I'd ever consider getting it. O2 is the most awful network I've ever used. Also, we're so used to getting phones for free, no way am I paying that much for a phone on an 18 month contract

Technically, a 3G iPhone should mean an end to this, but it probably won't - Apple have their revenue streams to think about. In any case, if the process of buying a 3G iPhone remains the same (handset first, tariff later etc.), then most will just buy a 3G iPhone and network-unlock and/or jailbreak it anyway.

Fei Fong Wong

27-04-2008, 04:46 PM

In the Q&A for the quarter results recently Apple was asked the question about iPhone unlocks and answered in a way that could suggest they are looking at a different strategy whenever they launch the next revision of the iPhone:

Q: iPhone availability tightening. Can you grow this going forward? Any shortages?
A: We will hit 10 million for the year. We expected more of a quarter-over-quarter decline than we got, leading to some shortages. "Significant" number of unlocked phones contributing to demand.

Q: Comments on number of unlocked iPhones? Why the reticence in quantifying that?
A: We aren't really comfortable with putting out a number on that due to uncertainty. We have gone out of our way to classify it as "significant" though.

Rossco

27-04-2008, 05:50 PM

fishbowlhead

27-04-2008, 11:26 PM

Ohhhh my mate knows someone who works for O2 and can get iPhones for £99. He's got one already and unlocked it. How awesome is that. I'm going for it, birthday in a few weeks so that can be my present from mother or father! :D

Go for it. Been using mine all week now and loving it. Just gotta get the EDGE details off orange to sort that out now (orange do support EDGE for anyone that wanted to know). I used the ziphone and as said it takes mere minutes.

EvilBoris

28-04-2008, 12:04 AM

Is it actual EDGE or just the normal GPRS?

I.e. do you get the word EDGE appear on the screen?

Rossco

28-04-2008, 03:16 AM

Nice work on letting me know that Orange use Edge! Phoned them today about data charges, all I could get was 30Mb a month for £8 so that will have to do for now until the y release a better package! Are you with Orange, if so what are you doing regarding data charges?

I actually spent the whole night mucking about with my mates iPhone as he came over, and I LOVE IT! Everything about it is just so awesome and streamlined and intuitive!

I like how you can put your Gmail account in as the default email and even works like texts so when you get a new one it vibrates and tells you on the main menu, if everyone had an iPhone then you wouldn't need text, just email! And y ou can view and save attatchments etc so easily, open up word documents, view pictures or pdf's. It's great. The internet also works so well and there are some great wee apps out there to download such as Drummer or Pocket Guitar, great fun! A nice wee pool game out there too called Pool 2.0 I think it was.

Overall, very impressed, I think I am deffo gonna get one now, even if I have to pay £169, if my mate can't get me it for £99.

fishbowlhead

28-04-2008, 09:40 AM

Is it actual EDGE or just the normal GPRS?

I.e. do you get the word EDGE appear on the screen?

When i spoke to them the other day orange said it is EDGE. I can only assume that EDGE appears on the screen.

RE. rosco, i haven't set it up yet, i phoned them the other day to get the details but the department i spoke to didn't deal with WAP or EDGE (didn't have time to faf about with it that day so have left it for now)

So how much data usage is 30meg? I'm not used to working like that as i've always used unlimited usage suppliers.

ascender

28-04-2008, 10:17 AM

There's a small status square beside the carrier name. It'll either be E for Edge, a solid blue square for GPRS or the Wi-Fi signal thing if you're on a LAN.

Rossco

28-04-2008, 11:01 AM

30Mb is not alot at all but might be fine for just viewing webpages when your out and about, means I would only download apps or go on youtube when I was in a WiFi area. It's the best I can do and unless I am able to seriously reduce the rest of my bill, I won't be able to change. But the iPhone itself impresses me so much anyway, so it's just a shame I won't be able to go wild with the internet.

If I can access my Gmail, Bebo sometimes and NTSC-uk while on the go when I feel like it and not go over my monthly allowance, I'll be happy. :)

Yeah, I should have put my SIM in my mates iPhone to see how it worked with that, as he wasn't getting a vodafone signal and I would have liked to just check how fast it was using GPRS/Edge for browsing on it.

Also, do I need to activate Edge with orange or is it all done automatically?

shuzo

28-04-2008, 01:54 PM

chojin

28-04-2008, 03:20 PM

After reading all the posts on here I am seriously considering getting an iphone for the £169 price tag. I think I would probably get one from the carphone warehouse, where I think they do make you sign that paper saying you have to register it in 7 days or something, has anyone else bought one from CPW? I've heard someone say that if you don't register it with o2 in 7 days, they charge your credit card for the amount of the phone (few hundred or something) but this can't be right can it?? I'm guessing not since no one has reported this.

I would love to get one and use it with my t-mobile sim!

its all scaremongery mate, i've read loads on various forums, one even stating that if you dont register/activate your phone within 7 days it becomes a ipod touch :rolleyes:

just get yourself down to the o2 shop and pick one up then unlock it yourself, thats what i did and i'm on T-mobile :thumb:

ascender

28-04-2008, 03:32 PM

If you're going to do it, don't hang around though as there's not many of the reduced-price iPhones left.

shuzo

28-04-2008, 03:34 PM

Thanks guys, I'm gonna pick one up today! :D

Actually, now that I'm here, has anyone used the pwnage tool on the mac to unlock it? It seems pretty good so I might give that a go.

fuse

28-04-2008, 04:23 PM

Yep, I've used the PwnageTool on my Mac Mini and it was all fairly straightforward. Only thing I would say that wasn't mentioned on the link posted before is that once you've made your own custom .ipsw, you then use iTunes to install it. I was trying the 'shift + restore' thing in PwnageTool at first and getting very confused.

Rossco

28-04-2008, 05:55 PM

yeah it's all scaremongery, my mate actually works in the Apple store and they all have them unlocked there to work with different networks! :lol:

Really sends the right message to punters doesnt it. :D

Fei Fong Wong

28-04-2008, 06:49 PM

I like how you can put your Gmail account in as the default email and even works like texts so when you get a new one it vibrates and tells you on the main menu, if everyone had an iPhone then you wouldn't need text, just email!
Rossco, you can also use Gmail IMAP on your iPhone, although the default option uses POP3. See here (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=77702&topic=12814) for details.

Rossco

28-04-2008, 07:22 PM

I don't know what IMAP is!? :blush:

Nu-Eclipse

28-04-2008, 07:26 PM

Off the bat - anybody know of a Carphone Warehouse or O2 store in London that might still have any 8GB iPhones in stock?

Rossco

28-04-2008, 09:35 PM

IPHONE GET!!!!

This week hopefully, just got a call saying I can definitely get it now for £100. I'm soooo happy! :D Mint, 100% new and everything. Awesome deal eh! Just for knowing someone that works in O2.

shuzo

28-04-2008, 10:38 PM

fishbowlhead

28-04-2008, 10:58 PM

Out of stock everywhere round here = :-( I'm kinda sad now as I got all excited about unlocking and playing with it! Who knows whether they'll get anymore in stock now though, I guess the point in this price drop is to get rid of the 8Gb ones really..

have you tried o2 online store, got mine last week from there.

Edit. Just looked and there out of them on there as well, glad I got mine when I did. Must be somewhere that's got them though.

HaHaUK

29-04-2008, 05:19 PM

Fei Fong Wong

29-04-2008, 10:24 PM

I don't know what IMAP is!? :blush:

Check here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP#Advantages_over_POP3).

Rossco

29-04-2008, 10:42 PM

Ive had the iPhone for two weeks now and the touch screen is such an amazing piece of tech that I find it hard going back to a standard touchscreen like that on my T200 camera, it feels so backwards! Everytime I go through the photos on my camera I swipe left or right to change picture only to realize that it doesn't work! Apple really have revolutionised the touchscreen.

Btw Rossco how much are you paying for your contract? As the O2 Simplicity contract for £25 a month gives you loads of minutes and texts as well as the option to add unlimited internet Bolton for free. :)

I'm actually staying with Orange, not going to O2 as I can't get a singal at my house for them at all! But yeh the Simplicity contract is awesome value for money, and thats what my mate is doing. Wish I could too!

Yeah I checked up on the IMAP stuff earlier. :)

fishbowlhead

30-04-2008, 09:45 AM

unlimited internet Bolton for free. :)

Would be bloody handy if orange started doing this as well. Being out anywhere and being able to access the internet at no extra cost whatsoever would be ace.

And yes the touch screen is so far ahead of everything else, i love it. Even going from the viewty touch screen (which isnt shit by any means) to the iphone is like they were developed years apart.

By the way has anyone else tried pressing the home button while your in a call, you can use the phone and all its functions as if your not in a call, the other day i took down an order from a customer in notepad then emailed it back to my office before id finished the call, amazing!

Rossco

30-04-2008, 05:56 PM

Amen to that, their internet plans are crap. Did you get yours sorted yet? Have you activated EDGE?

fishbowlhead

30-04-2008, 11:44 PM

Not yet I haven't. For anyone not sure about it your supposed to contact the WAP team at orange to sort your EDGE out, at least that was what I was told anyway.

neoboy259

02-05-2008, 01:39 PM

OMG I just discovered the joys if rRootage and NOIZ2SA on the iphone. sure, its awkward controlling your ship via touchscreen, but being able to play these on a phone just confirms the awesomeness of the iphone! :D

fishbowlhead

02-05-2008, 07:00 PM

Silvergun X

02-05-2008, 07:04 PM

Wow, i'd love to know that too. :)

neoboy259

02-05-2008, 11:30 PM

Managed to download them from the "Games" folder on installer.app

You'll need to jailbreak your iphone of you habent already done so!

EvilBoris

03-05-2008, 12:01 AM

This is the source you need to add to installer to find it :)
touchrepo.com/repo.xml

They both look great, shame there is no sound.
There is also a quality ZooKeeper clone called IZoo

fishbowlhead

04-05-2008, 11:43 AM

ok I added that source to the installer but there hasn't been anything added to the games section. Did I do anything wrong?

Rossco

04-05-2008, 12:14 PM

Damnnnnnn, think these are sold out like everywhere now! Friend who works in O2 haven't had any in, and it might be too late to get one now. :( There goes my £100 iPhone dream!

fishbowlhead

05-05-2008, 04:01 PM

Damnnnnnn, think these are sold out like everywhere now! Friend who works in O2 haven't had any in, and it might be too late to get one now. :( There goes my £100 iPhone dream!

Im having the same problem for my dad who after playing with mine and seeing how good it is (and the fact that i can unlock it in 5 mins for him) now wants one for himself.

Nu-Eclipse

05-05-2008, 04:06 PM

Im having the same problem for my dad who after playing with mine and seeing how good it is (and the fact that i can unlock it in 5 mins for him) now wants one for himself.

Damnnnnnn, think these are sold out like everywhere now! Friend who works in O2 haven't had any in, and it might be too late to get one now. :( There goes my £100 iPhone dream!

Current options would appear to be:-

1) Chance it on eBay to find one for £170-£200.

2) Buy one from Apple for full price of £269.

3) Hope and pray that 3G iPhone drops this Summer.

Rossco

05-05-2008, 04:52 PM

Yeah but I'm getting one from a friend who works in O2 as they get them for £100 right now! And there have been none at all in any stores around Glasgow for the last week! :(

Gutted! Even if the 3G does drop this summer I can't justify paying near £300 for it unless it is the granddaddy of phones and ipods AND can be unlocked soon after launch!

Escobar

05-05-2008, 05:00 PM

3G should be mid-next month, hopefully anyway. That should drive down 2G prices and mean I can get one cheaper!

Extra Terrestrial

05-05-2008, 05:01 PM

3G should be mid-next month, hopefully anyway. That should drive down 2G prices and mean I can get one cheaper!

Are you saying that Apple will continue to sell the 3G-less phones once the 3G model eventually comes out?

That would be welcome as long as the price is right.

Nu-Eclipse

05-05-2008, 06:03 PM

Yeah but I'm getting one from a friend who works in O2 as they get them for £100 right now! And there have been none at all in any stores around Glasgow for the last week! :(

I don't know what to tell you, mate. You were getting one, but it looks like you and/or your friend didn't react quickly enough - the offer was "while stocks last", after all (Small print).

If it's any consolation, the situation would appear to be the same at O2 and CPW stores all over the UK. Both are fresh out of reduced-price 8Gb iPhones and neither (especially CPW) look like they'll be re-stocking anytime soon - remember, the offer ends on June 1st.

So...you have three options...! :D

Even if the 3G does drop this summer I can't justify paying near £300 for it unless it is the granddaddy of phones and ipods AND can be unlocked soon after launch!

All I'll say on this is that I'd probably bet good money on the 3G iPhone being network-unlocked and/or jailbroken considerably soon after launch. The current iPhone was hacked to bits quite a short time into its release.

Rossco

05-05-2008, 06:35 PM

Yeah I didn't know they could get it so cheap until last Monday I think it was, and their haven't been any in since then! If I knew earlier I would have snapped it up! :(

I might just wait and save my money for it. Got a birthday coming soon, week today actually! :o So will just keep any monies from that and see what a 3G iPhone is like.

Escobar

05-05-2008, 06:40 PM

Are you saying that Apple will continue to sell the 3G-less phones once the 3G model eventually comes out?

That would be welcome as long as the price is right.
Ohh, no, not at all. Apple hardly ever reduce stuff, this was their sly way of doing it though, by shifting their stock through a channel that isn't their website but to the official distributor - that way the perceived value is maintained on their website and they keep face.

But, when the 3G version is out and unlocked (however long that takes), then, I can see the older models getting cheaper as people want to upgrade and it depreciates naturally. There's a reason they're offloading them right now (and have sold out it seems), because 3G is almost certainly arriving at the up-coming conference in the first half of June. I'd bet on it.

[nothing]

08-05-2008, 06:27 PM

Okay, if anyone knows where I can find a cheap Iphone, please let me know.

Carphone Warehouse haven't got any left and the people on ebay want about a million pounds for a handset.

Rossco

08-05-2008, 06:55 PM

Yeah they're are literally none left now! Just off the phone with my mate there to check again but they still have none in O2 shop either!

I'm gutted as I was so hyped up for it, and my K850i has broke again just at the right time too. :mad:

wakka

08-05-2008, 06:56 PM

Only O2 and Carphone Warehouse sell them, so if you can't get one there or second hand on Ebay then you're out of luck I'm afraid.

[nothing]

08-05-2008, 07:01 PM

Only O2 and Carphone Warehouse sell them, so if you can't get one there or second hand on Ebay then you're out of luck I'm afraid.

Pants.

Ebay for £250 it is then :( I really hate the look of practically every other phone on the market right now.

I'm gutted as I was so hyped up for it, and my K850i has broke again just at the right time too. :mad:

Yeah, same. My K810i and my old Nokia N80 have just bitten the dust within days of each other.

rumbletum

08-05-2008, 07:08 PM

;1351791']Pants.

Ebay for £250 it is then :( I really hate the look of practically every other phone on the market right now.

You could buy a brand new one from Apple for £269inc.

Fei Fong Wong

08-05-2008, 09:56 PM

Only 16GB iPhone seems to be available now other than through the Apple Store which is still selling 8GB units. Stock is definitely slowing down though which indicates new 3G models are imminent. I would hold off buying any iPhone right now.

EvilBoris

08-05-2008, 09:58 PM

I dread to think how long the battery will hold up on a 3G version. Mine is dead within a couple of hours of infrequent browsing on GPRS.

DavidH

09-05-2008, 01:36 PM

This driving game is looking pretty nifty

http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential

the player/control system leave a lot to be desired though.

fishbowlhead

09-05-2008, 01:38 PM

I dread to think how long the battery will hold up on a 3G version. Mine is dead within a couple of hours of infrequent browsing on GPRS.

The battery isn't exactly grade A is it. Im only getting 2 days at most of texting, about 30 mins of calls, about 45 mins of music and a little internet through wifi.

Never understood why companies cant put decent batteries in there devices, surely if you put all these features in a mobile device people are guna want to, you know, use them when there mobile and not next to a plug socket.

CMcK

09-05-2008, 03:17 PM

The battery life of the iPhone can be improved by turning off the WiFi when you don't need it. Also GPRS browsing is quite a drain as well as it has to spend more time broadcasting and receiving data than using Edge or WiFi.

I'm quite happy with the battery life on the present iPhone especially considering the size and brightness of the screen and the amount of time I spend using it in iPod mode playing back Apple Lossless files.

EvilBoris

09-05-2008, 03:24 PM

I know from experience that on previous phones I've had that the 3G absolutely hammered the battery by comparison to GPRS.

[nothing]

09-05-2008, 04:24 PM

Okay, if were to walk into a branch of Carphone Warehouse and buy an Iphone, would they make me sign a contract there and then? Or are they adopting the o2 shop approach of just allowing me to buy the handset without a contract?

Bada Bing!

10-05-2008, 05:58 PM

;1352399']Okay, if were to walk into a branch of Carphone Warehouse and buy an Iphone, would they make me sign a contract there and then? Or are they adopting the o2 shop approach of just allowing me to buy the handset without a contract?

I'm interested in this too. So you can walk in to O2 and buy the handset without signing up for a contract? What reason would you give for this?

Rossco

10-05-2008, 06:53 PM

Dont think you need to, and if they question it, just say it's for your brother or something and they haven't decided what contract to go on yet! But I don't think they'll question you about it.

But good luck finding a store that has it in stock.

wakka

10-05-2008, 06:56 PM

Can we just make a sticky about this please? Every time I go into this thread, instead of any discussion relating to the iPhone, we just get the same question about signing a contract asked again and again.

No. You do not sign a contract. Period. You sign it electronically on iTunes when you connect the iPhone to a computer to activate it.

They make make you sign an 'agreement' but it is meaningless.

Flompy

10-05-2008, 07:22 PM

They didn't made me sign anything!

Best thing I've ever bought by the way, if given a choice I'd give up my either my TV, console or Laptop for this thing. I absolutely love it & it only gets better with time!

ascender

10-05-2008, 07:43 PM

The battery thing is a constant trade-off between functionality and size though. If they get that trade-off wrong, people will complain that the phone is too big, or that the battery life is rubbish :)

Personally I'm not too bothered about battery life on my mobile, so long as it lasts a full day while using all the features. I'm never that far from a USB port or plug socket I guess.

I think O2 have the 16Gb phones in stock from what I've read elsewhere.

Flompy

10-05-2008, 10:44 PM

All of you with Jailbroken iPhones download 'Band'. It's basically the best thing humanity has achieved!

Bada Bing!

26-05-2008, 06:00 PM

I haven't tried to be honest. I'm off to California in July for a few months and I'm just going to hold off and buy a 16GB when I'm over there. They're going for about the same as an 8GB is here!

Jushin-Thunder-Liger

26-05-2008, 08:05 PM

If i get one from the states, are there plenty of places that are unlocking them over here?

Uk that is

HaHaUK

26-05-2008, 11:30 PM

If i get one from the states, are there plenty of places that are unlocking them over here?

Uk that is

Not sure about people unlocking it, but its a 5 minute job if you do it yourself!

Jushin-Thunder-Liger

26-05-2008, 11:40 PM

Not sure about people unlocking it, but its a 5 minute job if you do it yourself!

Much like having a wank then!

hurrah!

(cheers)

Fei Fong Wong

27-05-2008, 07:17 PM

I haven't tried to be honest. I'm off to California in July for a few months and I'm just going to hold off and buy a 16GB when I'm over there. They're going for about the same as an 8GB is here!
New 3G iPhone will certainly be out by then which hopefully will all be 16GB (if not with a 32GB option even following the bigger iPod Touch).

The release of the new model should better adjust the price in relation to the weak dollar as well meaning us Brits getter better deal than we do now when the price was set back in September 2007.

All eyes on June 9th for the announcement.

Rossco

27-05-2008, 08:09 PM

Ah June 9th, I wanna gonna ask when it was. I shall keep my eyes peeled!

NW2013

09-06-2008, 02:29 PM

The Guardian reckons the new iPhone will be smaller than the current model. I also hope is has a none scratchy back. It also reckons it will be free on some contracts....that cost £75 a month!!! Personally I'd like to see sim-free models which I'd be interested in.

Does anyone know if the iPhone can be used as a modem?

What time does the WWDC keynote kick off UK time? I'd also like re-designed MacBooks but I guess that's for another thread.

fuse

09-06-2008, 04:04 PM

The Guardian reckons the new iPhone will be smaller than the current model. I also hope is has a none scratchy back. It also reckons it will be free on some contracts....that cost £75 a month!!! Personally I'd like to see sim-free models which I'd be interested in.

I'd also heard something along those lines but who knows. If they do that and they still don't make you agree to any contract until you 'activate via iTunes' then there's a big risk there IMO.

NW2013

09-06-2008, 04:40 PM

Apparently all the online Apple stores are down at the moment, hopefully we won't have to wait too long to find out what's going on.

ChrisF

09-06-2008, 08:03 PM

Surprised no one posted this already...

(Obviously) new 3G model, with GPS... $199 for 8gb, $299 for 16gb... Apparently it will cost no more than $199 anywhere in the world. So read that as you will. £100 here?

16gb model will also be available in white (as well as black).

Stores are updated but not with prices.

Oh and they're available 11th July.

The 2.0 firmware will be available free to iPhone owners, but will cost $9.95 for owners of Touches.

edit: UK store link with infos : http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone?mco=NzY2NzA0

Rossco

09-06-2008, 08:15 PM

Cant see it being £100 here but we will see!

Dissapointing no better camera or video. If it's hacked just as quickly and as well as the iPhone was then I may get it to use with Orange.

fishbowlhead

09-06-2008, 08:53 PM

I hope that ziphone unlocks the 2.0 software as soon as possible, I want the apps store.
I hope we see some interesting games for the iphone as well, its certainly got plenty of grunt for a portable device and the fantastic touch screen (and accelerometer) should give developers plenty of scope for originality, hopefully.

NW2013

09-06-2008, 08:59 PM

ChrisF

09-06-2008, 09:05 PM

Doesn't look much different to the original, sensible move on the back. The back of my Touch is littered with scratches. I imagine it could be £100 here but the contract will be steep.

With HSDPA this will be a great net device but I imagine it'll lunch the battery.

Here you go, off Engadget:

Battery life isn't getting put out to pasture though, with 300 hours of standby, 8-10 hours of 2G talk, 5 hours of 3G talk, 7 hours of video and 24 hours of audio.

Mercian

09-06-2008, 10:22 PM

Cant see it being £100 here but we will see!

Good point. I don't believe it for a second. In fact, I don't think Apple believe it either. Interestingly, if you go to their US site you are greeted with 'iPhone 3G Twice as fast. Half the price.', the UK domain simply 'iPhone 3G The iPhone you've been waiting for. Coming July 11th.' :lol:
More like the iPhone you've been waiting to pay more for...

EvilBoris

09-06-2008, 10:35 PM

Twice the speed, half the standby time!

CMcK

10-06-2008, 01:16 AM

Rumour had it that existing iPhone customers would get a free handset if you renewed your contract. O2 website is going to have details later today.

ChrisF

10-06-2008, 07:49 AM

Rumour had it that existing iPhone customers would get a free handset if you renewed your contract. O2 website is going to have details later today.

Free for existing customers on £45 and £75 tarifs apparently.

For new customers they seem to be free on Business accounts (which I'll get anyway):

8GB Handset provided at no additional cost to primary users on tariffs above £26.25 (ex. VAT) when you connect to a new minimum term contract with iPhone Bolt On.

For personal users:

Best of all, the new 8GB iPhone won't cost you a penny on our £45 and £75 tariffs. And it's just £99 on our £35 tariff and new £30 tariff.

Shame I want the 16gb! :(

So, yes, under £100... as Apple said originally.

edit: Either 24 or 36 month minimum contract?! WTF?!

Mercian

10-06-2008, 08:07 AM

Either 24 or 36 month minimum contract?! WTF?!

For the lose!

Nu-Eclipse

10-06-2008, 08:10 AM

edit: Either 24 or 36 month minimum contract?! WTF?!

Has that actually been confirmed over here in the UK? I only ask because it looks like iPhone 3G will have a 24-month minimum term contract for customers in the US, but I haven't heard or seen that confirmed over here...

ChrisF

10-06-2008, 08:10 AM

Think thats just for business tarifs... Personal ones are 18 still. Sucks though! :(

ChrisF

10-06-2008, 08:11 AM

Has that actually been confirmed over here in the UK?

Well I read that on o2's business tariff site:
http://www.o2.co.uk/assets/O2HybridNav/Static-files/images/iphone2/O2BbusinessTariffs.pdf

Personal users still seem to be 18 month.

Nu-Eclipse

10-06-2008, 08:14 AM

Well I read that on o2's business tariff site:
http://www.o2.co.uk/assets/O2HybridNav/Static-files/images/iphone2/O2BbusinessTariffs.pdf

Personal users still seem to be 18 month.

Hmmm. It's being rumoured that activation of iPhone 3G will be in-store only, but I can't see how that'll work logistically.

18-month contracts won't matter much to some - after all, if the purchasing process remains the same (handset first, activation later), then we all know that people will buy iPhone 3G and unlock it, surely?

ChrisF

10-06-2008, 08:17 AM

Hmmm. It's being rumoured that activation of iPhone 3G will be in-store only, but I can't see how that'll work logistically.

18-month contracts won't matter much to some - after all, if the purchasing process remains the same (handset first, activation later), then we all know that people will buy iPhone 3G and unlock it, surely?

Oh absolutely, people will definitely unlock it and go with their own provider. Thing that I'm surprised about is that all the tariffs include unlimited 3G web browsing... Something you'd be hard pushed to get with anyone else.

CMcK

10-06-2008, 08:54 AM

That £30 tariff is really poor value versus the £35 tariff. At least the prices aren't the usual $=£ conversions we normal see in the UK.

I'd like more info on the upgrade process for giving my existing handset to a family member.

From what I was reading yesterday this version of the iPhone is going to be harder to unlock. Still reckon the hacking community will find a way though.

Think I'll go for a new handset ASAP and try to get the 16GB model. I can see the App Store having a healthy selection of games in the future not to mention the Ebay application being a must as well.
The non recessed headphone socket is a must as I have already broken a couple of adaptors. Got a new Monster adaptor on the way now. Looks like I'll only get a month out of it. Ah well.
The 3G model will allow you to take calls and texts while using data functions which is a must for me as well.

Drifting a wee bit off topic I picked up a set of iGrado headphones for the iPhone last week as well. The best portable phones I have ever tried period. A really full, balanced sound that defies the size of the drivers. And all for £36. Bargain.

HaHaUK

10-06-2008, 12:12 PM

Hmmm. It's being rumoured that activation of iPhone 3G will be in-store only, but I can't see how that'll work logistically.

Wouldnt it be hard to regulate if they just sold the 3G handset solus and made the customer activate at home like the previous iPhone, seeing as the pricing system is totally overhauled now and dependant on the tariff you take out?

fuse

10-06-2008, 12:18 PM

Nu-Eclipse

10-06-2008, 12:58 PM

I've been told that we (CPW) will be credit checking and signing people up in store rather than it being done through iTunes. I would imagine it won't be long until there's software to unlock the new firmware, but you'll still be tied to a contract with O2.

I'll still probably pick up an iPhone 3G, but I'm a little less enthusiastic about it now, tbh. Also hearing that online selling of iPhone 3G may be delayed, so there may be truth in this.

Taka

10-06-2008, 05:04 PM

If you go on the O2 website, there's a place to enter your details if you're an existing iPhone user and wish to upgrade to the 3G one. From what it sounds like, there will be an option to buy online through O2 but I imagine they'll send the phone with a connection already activated like the rest of their mobiles.

Cannot wait for this though I do feel slightly peeved off that as one of the early adopters of the first iPhone, I think of myself as a beta tester for this 3G one. Roll on 11th of July!

DavidH

10-06-2008, 05:09 PM

At least there will be loads of original cheap used iphone's knocking about for us non "beta-testers" :D

DavidH

10-06-2008, 05:12 PM

As Taka sort of said, upgrade info on the o2 site, they are keen to tie you in to their contracts for obvious reasons.

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/existingiphonecustomers

Fei Fong Wong

10-06-2008, 07:42 PM

It seems like Apple has failed to change the mobile phone market in that it has conceded it can't control how it distributes the phones or sign enough carriers up to revenue sharing deals.

While not confirmed it looks like iTunes activation is out and power is shifted back to the networks. It doesn't look like you will be able to purchase them from Apple stores at all in fact (retail or online). Therefore I'd expect no contract price phones (which are obviously subsidised by the networks) to make it easily on to other carriers through unlocking now. It may be easy to unlock them still (the 2.0 beta firmware can be unlocked at present) but you're not going to be able to excape signing up to a contract at those £99 and £159 handset prices when your only option (http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/buy/) to purchase is 02 and CPW stores.

02 are doing a PAYG option though so an unlocked phone at a higher price point is looking like still an option. 02 haven't confirmed the PAYG price yet but I'd bet on the 1st generation price points or thereabouts.

Nu-Eclipse

11-06-2008, 02:14 PM

02 are doing a PAYG option though so an unlocked phone at a higher price point is looking like still an option. 02 haven't confirmed the PAYG price yet but I'd bet on the 1st generation price points or thereabouts.

Agreed, though I'm not sure that a higher pricepoint for a PAYG iPhone 3G would stop it from flying off the shelves like hotcakes.

For those who want to unlock, this may be the way to go (obviously). But it remains to be seen just if and/or how O2 are going to execute this.

TommyG

14-06-2008, 06:19 PM

My current phone contract runs out in a week or so and i've been thinking of picking up the new iphone.

Whilst searching for anatomy stuff on the web I just stumbled across this video on youtube of a medial application for the iphone, which for me being a medical student is simply awesome! Probably not the reason why most people buy an iphone but hey.....SOLD! :thumb:

Medical Application for the iphone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcQM_vEyR5M

DavidH

19-06-2008, 09:10 AM

Why so expensive ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/apple-8gb-iphone_W0QQitemZ320263446745QQihZ011QQcategoryZ331 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

CMcK

19-06-2008, 10:46 AM

Mmmm, unopened and unlocked. Even at that still not worth it. I think I'll be lucky to get £80 for my 2.5G iPhone when it comes to upgrade time.

DavidH

19-06-2008, 10:49 AM

That's what I'm hoping, don't mind being a generation behind if I can save some serious money :)

Taka

19-06-2008, 10:11 PM

I was planning on selling mine once I upgraded but I ended up dropping it on concrete today. Now has a lovely dent and scratch on the top left corner. Will be lucky to get anything for it now!

fishbowlhead

21-06-2008, 12:54 PM

So has anyone got the new 3G iPhone yet? (If there in stores yet of course) what are they like in comparison, battery wise and what's the GPS like?

ChrisF

21-06-2008, 01:10 PM

So has anyone got the new 3G iPhone yet? (If there in stores yet of course)

Not out until 11th July matey.

TommyG

21-06-2008, 04:55 PM

Hey Guys,

Well I’ve pretty much decided I’m getting an iphone but I would really like some help in regards to what to get, what it can do and basically what’s hot and what’s not.

Just so you know, I only own a ipod shuffle so forgive me for my naïve questions.... :)

1. Can I play any of my mp3’s on the phone or do they have to be converted to a format that it recognises?

2. Which applications would you recommend?

3. Can It play movies? (avi files,divx, etc)

4. Games?

5. How much does data cost, like surfing websites and using sat nav (does it have sat nav?)

6. Which ear phones and case would you recommend?

Thanks for any and all replies!

:happy:

HaHaUK

21-06-2008, 08:05 PM

1. Can I play any of my mp3’s on the phone or do they have to be converted to a format that it recognises?

Any MP3s or AAC tracks play fine on it.

2. Which applications would you recommend?

I havent seen any of the offical apps yet, but would recommend Snapture (adds loads of features to the basic camera) and Ringtones (converts your MP3s to ringtones) if theyre still compatible with the 3G iPhone.

3. Can It play movies? (avi files,divx, etc)

Nope, you need to convert them to MP4 to play them on the iPhone.

5. How much does data cost, like surfing websites and using sat nav (does it have sat nav?)

With the O2 contract unlimited data comes free with any of the tariffs you pick, and yes the 3G iPhone will have GPS.

6.Which ear phones and case would you recommend?

I dont use a case on my iPhone and have only a few blemishs around the mirror border, otherwise its still in perfect nick and I use it everyday. I also use the standard headphones that came with it which I love. The headphones also includes an inline microphone meaning you dont have to take the headphones out to answer calls, and the iPhone automatically pauses and plays songs when you recieve/make calls etc.

:happy:

ChrisF

21-06-2008, 08:23 PM

and yes the 3G iPhone will have GPS.

Important to note though that the GPS doesn't give turn-by-turn so you can't really use it in your car like you would any other sat nav devices.

I think there's some vagueness over whether or not Tom Tom can legally release their software on the iPhone.

CMcK

21-06-2008, 09:48 PM

Regarding the earphones question my other half swears by the V-MODA Vibe Duo's which has a built in mic like the pack in phones. http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TP637?mco=MjYyOTU2

Personally I use a set of iGrado neckband phones.http://www.gradolabs.com/frameset_main.htm
Fantastic sound quality.

rumbletum

21-06-2008, 11:28 PM

Important to note though that the GPS doesn't give turn-by-turn so you can't really use it in your car like you would any other sat nav devices.

I think there's some vagueness over whether or not Tom Tom can legally release their software on the iPhone.

Eh? Tomtom is apparently up and running on the iPhone already

TommyG

22-06-2008, 12:53 AM

Brilliant!

Thank you very much HaHaUK.

I'm gob smacked that you get unlimited data on any contract. That's flippin' great! Converting movies is easy as well.... I'm kinda massively excited now :cool:

Also, good point Chris, but I guess it'll be useful if i'm stuck in the middle of nowhere and don't have a map with me, or lost in a city.....cheers matey :)

Those headphones look great! I might have to think about it first though and give the standard ones a go before I splash the cash on those bad boys ;)

Thanks again guys

:happy:

ChrisF

22-06-2008, 08:59 AM

Eh? Tomtom is apparently up and running on the iPhone already

Yes, but the Apple SDK licence says you can't write anything that competes with Apple's software, so its unknown at present if Tom Tom can actually release it.

CMcK

22-06-2008, 09:32 AM

I think the Tomtom software might be OK.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/13/tomtom_for_iphone_lives_jobs_true_health_green_iph one_3g.html

I certainly hope so as I would like to use the iPhone in our new Golf when it arrives.

ChrisF

22-06-2008, 09:34 AM

Result then! :) I'd certainly love to do away with my sat nav device as well.

fishbowlhead

24-06-2008, 11:23 PM

I installed a cronium custom keyboard skin for my iPhone the other day and it seems to have overwritten the standard one completely. I've uninstalled it but its still there. Any idea how to get it back without a system reset to factory settings?

EvilBoris

25-06-2008, 07:35 AM

Maybe install the customise app and restore it from that

Taka

25-06-2008, 01:33 PM

Rumours on the interwebz has it that O2 are going to open at 7am in the morning on launch day. Other rumour is that we'll be able to sign up to contracts ahead of time to speed up the activation process on the day.

ChrisF

25-06-2008, 08:37 PM

ascender

25-06-2008, 08:57 PM

I've briefly owned all of Apple's laptops over the last few months thanks to some work I'm doing. So....

Macbook Air is a lovely looking piece of kit, but is definitely a case of form over function. Its more than powerful enough for web browsing, word processing etc, but if I was doing anything more than that, I would look at a Macbook. You're also limited in terms of HDD and memory, which may not be an issue. As a second machine, especially if you're on the move a lot, I think it makes sense. But its still a lot of money for the spec of machine.

Macbook Pro. Main advantages over the Macbook range is that they have dedicated graphics instead of a shared chipset. They also have a higher resolution screen, backlit keyboard and can drive the 30" cinema display. Nice aluminium cases too. Oh, and if you need a matte screen, the Pro is the one to go for as the Macbooks are all glossy screened now.

Macbooks have come in to their own a bit recently as they've had their cpus upgraded and with memory cheap as chips, bung in 4Gb RAM to any of them and they'll be more than capable of anything you can throw at them really. I think its blurred the lines of the product lineup a bit as they're no longer the under-powered distant relative of the Pro. Black or white plasticky case might put you off a bit, but they still come with the same 2Gb RAM, big hdd and built-in webcam that the Pro does. They have a lower resolution screen but can hook up to the 20" and 23" cinema displays.

Having used them all, I'd go for a Macbook. They're a nice size which makes them very portable, but also powerful enough and sensibly priced. Unless you need the features of the Pro, or desperately want one, I don't see the need really.

Sorry, I've been waffling...

ChrisF

25-06-2008, 09:13 PM

Orgun

25-06-2008, 09:41 PM

ascender

25-06-2008, 10:30 PM

Excellent reply, thank you. To be honest I had kind of picked out the mid-priced (829?) Macbook as most likely candidate for it, but was kinda hoping that the Air would be up to the task. Guess not :)

Sorry to have derailed the thread slightly, t'was an iPhone related question though :)

The Air is a stunning machine, so don't write it off. But just be aware of its limitations and when you compare it spec wise vs a Macbook with extra RAM, you realise just how much you're paying for the design.

ascender

25-06-2008, 10:31 PM

Hi guys

I'm currently thinking of getting an iPhone and I was wondering if its worth waiting until july for the new one or if I should just pick up one of the current models? Not sure if it makes much difference but im currently with Carphone Warhouse on O2.

I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between the two.

Not sure if you can buy a first-gen phone from the shops now as they've been running stocks down for weeks.

The 2.0 software and app store will be available for both versions, so the main difference with the new one is the 3G capability.

CMcK

25-06-2008, 10:34 PM

If you are intending to take a contract go for the new model. 3G and GPS are the big extras as well as a better battery life and 'better sound quality' apparently.

If you are on O2 via CPW you might find it takes a few days for them to transfer your number to the iPhone.

Orgun

26-06-2008, 09:13 AM

Ah ok, thanks for the info. I think i'll wait until I get my July bonus and pick up one of the new models :) Cheers

Oscar

26-06-2008, 11:10 AM

Is anyone here (or does anyone in here intend to) develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch?

The iPhone SDK requirements just state you need Leopard and an Intel based Mac. Now, the only Mac I have is a PowerPC based one so I need to upgrade. Question is what to? I quite like the idea of a Macbook Air (the PATA one, not the SSD!) but is that up to the task? I hear it's OpenGL support is a bit ropey? Any suggestions please? (laptops only btw... and strictly iPhone development, wont be using it for anything else)

Its not so much the SDK EULA as the fact that all the development tools are Linux/Mac OS X based and therefore incompatible on Windows.

There is the other possibility that I have done. I bought myself recently a Dell Vostro 1400 laptop (approx £400) and have successfully installed Mac OS X onto it. The Vostro 1400 happens to have near-identical hardware to a Macbook hence the ease of success.

- Oscar :)

ChrisF

26-06-2008, 11:29 AM

Its not so much the SDK EULA as the fact that all the development tools are Linux/Mac OS X based and therefore incompatible on Windows.

There is the other possibility that I have done. I bought myself recently a Dell Vostro 1400 laptop (approx £400) and have successfully installed Mac OS X onto it. The Vostro 1400 happens to have near-identical hardware to a Macbook hence the ease of success.

- Oscar :)

Oddly enough, I too recently bought a Vostro 1400! Didn't realise they were that similar. Thing is, I like my Vostro running Vista (as I do VS.NET development)... I could use Parallels I guess? Thanks for that thought though... :)

Oscar

26-06-2008, 11:34 AM

Oddly enough, I too recently bought a Vostro 1400! Didn't realise they were that similar. Thing is, I like my Vostro running Vista (as I do VS.NET development)... I could use Parallels I guess? Thanks for that thought though... :)

I currently have have it setup as a dual-boot system (along side Vista Business) as I agree Visual Studio is unparelled for C++/C# programming.

- Oscar :)

fishbowlhead

02-07-2008, 10:37 AM

The guy who does the ziphone hack is apparently working on the 2.0 update. So hopefully soon as its released us people on unlocked phones will have access to it as well, well, soon as its hacked anyway.

Nu-Eclipse

03-07-2008, 01:49 PM

An "iPhone 3G" edition of Apple's iPhone Guided Tour QuickTime movie. (http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/?cid=CDM-US-iPhone-C0007093-125106&Email_PageName=iPhoneGT-C0007093-125106&Email_OID=275835&cp=125106&sr=em)

Have to say, I'm pretty tempted to go and get one of these next week, even though there are going to be some really good smartphones coming out later this year.

NekoFever

03-07-2008, 02:11 PM

I'm seriously looking at getting an iPhone next week, but how have people found O2 with it? I've been with Vodafone since 1999 and never had a problem, but it'll be annoying if I switch to O2 and end up with crappy reception or poor service.

I'm thinking of picking up an O2 PAYG SIM and using it for a week to see how it is around here.

DavidH

03-07-2008, 02:19 PM

I've been with 02 for two years, and not a moments trouble here in Sunny Essex, think they may have a map showing quality of coverage on their website.

NekoFever

03-07-2008, 02:35 PM

Yeah, I found that. It shows full coverage in this town and about 80% 3G coverage. That's spotty around my house, but I have wi-fi there so it's not an issue, and there's always 2G in any case. It's still nice to get some independent real-life experience, though ;)

I need to work out how to get my number ported as well. More specifically, whether or not I need to get a PAC number now or if I can do it at any point after I start a new contract with O2.

CMcK

03-07-2008, 02:51 PM

I've been with O2 since they were Securicor Cellent. Coverage is fine wherever I've been. 3G coverage with my old phone seemed to be excellent as well.

Get your PAC number now and the porting will start as soon as you buy your iPhone. You'll get a temporary number while the porting takes place. Took about 5 days for my other half to get her number ported when she got an iPhone.

Taka

03-07-2008, 06:08 PM

To expand on what CMcK said, get yourself a PAC code now and use it IF you decide to get an iPhone 3G. If you choose not to get an iPhone, you can just ignore the PAC code which is valid for 30 days if I recall correctly. If in the future you decide to change then just get yourself another PAC from Vodafone. Just don't terminate your contract with Vodafone prematurely because that prevents you from getting the code!

As for O2, they have been superb to me for the 7 years that I have been with them, both pre-pay and contract. I've been burnt by all the other networks either financially or service wise, can't recommend O2 enough really! Finally, they also seem to be the only folks who don't excessively (if at all) rebrand a phone's software or hardware.

Nu-Eclipse

03-07-2008, 06:20 PM

Finally, they also seem to be the only folks who don't excessively (if at all) rebrand a phone's software or hardware.

I'm on T-Mobile, and they do this with every bloody handset that they make available. It's so needless, pointless and annoying...

NekoFever

03-07-2008, 07:53 PM

I'm on hold with Vodafone at the moment and I think I understand how it works now anyway. If I use the PAC within 30 days that effectively terminates my Vodafone contract (minus the cost of that 30 days' line rental, which is treated as the notice period); if not, Voda assumes I changed my mind and continues my current service as normal. Makes sense.

The fact that O2 doesn't rebrand the phones is a big thing with me. Back in the day I actually bought an O2 (I think it was still BT Cellnet at the time) PAYG phone - the awesome Nokia 3210 - to use with my Vodafone SIM because I didn't want the symbols all over it.

Edit: Gah! Vodafone shuts up shop for this stuff at 8, even though it says 9 on its contact page. Already trying to make it hard to cancel, I see ;)

Nu-Eclipse

04-07-2008, 08:24 AM

Interesting....

I've just received e-mails from both O2 & Carphone Warehouse regarding iPhone 3G. Carphone Warehouse says that the iPhone 3G will initially only be available on a monthly contract, whilst O2 have yet to confirm this or otherwise on their website.

It would be nice to have a PAYG iPhone 3G and avoid an 18-month contract, but I'm starting to get the impression that this won't actually happen now.

rumbletum

04-07-2008, 08:36 AM

o2 do confirm the PAYG iPhone on their website, I just reckon they'll supply contract only to start with until the demand dies down a bit.

rumbletum

04-07-2008, 08:37 AM

Here on the 02 website (http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo)

Nu-Eclipse

04-07-2008, 08:41 AM

o2 do confirm the PAYG iPhone on their website, I just reckon they'll supply contract only to start with until the demand dies down a bit.

Here on the 02 website (http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo)

Should've made myself clearer - as you can see on the O2 website, actual details of PAYG iPhone 3G (cost & how/when to order) are not yet confirmed. Slightly odd when the handset will be released next week, don't you think?

CMcK

04-07-2008, 02:39 PM

There was some info for PAYG iPhone options on the O2 site last week but it dissapeared quite quickly.

See here: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/25/o2_paygo_iphones_start_at_299_make_data_optional.h tml

ChrisF

05-07-2008, 07:56 AM

Apparently pre-ordering starts online from Monday and (o2 and CPW) shops are opening from 7:02am (?!?).
Also if you pre-order then you receive a "Welcome Pack" and a "VIP Ticket". Whatever that means.

CMcK

05-07-2008, 10:20 AM

If a VIP ticket let's you skip the queue on Friday morning I'm all for it. Means I can grab my new phone before heading to T in the Park.

ChrisF

05-07-2008, 10:24 AM

Sorry, forgot to post the link I was getting the info from..
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=13615

The URL says its akin to queue jumping, so you should be in luck for T in the Park :)

I have no intention of getting mine in store as it'll be a business account. Hope I don't get left out with the washing and end up with a long wait for one :(

Taka

05-07-2008, 12:43 PM

That is sweet news about the queue jumping, though no doubt there'll still be a queue of VIP pass holders.

Anybody have any ideas if they're going to release a new version of the bluetooth headset dock? The 3G is obviously a new shape so won't fit in the old dock that came with it...

NekoFever

05-07-2008, 02:49 PM

I asked in the O2 shop in Bournemouth on Thursday and they said it was going to be strictly first come first served on release day. I certainly hope that there will be some kind of preorder system, though. Even if they open at 7, if there's any queue at all it's going to take hours when they all have to have credit checks, sign up for the contract, etc, and while it's only two minutes from work I'm not going to be able to hang around all day. That O2 shop only has two desks for doing that stuff!

Letting you get all the work out the way online and just pick it up on the 11th makes a lot more sense.

I suppose I can swing by at about 5am, but I'm certainly not queuing up overnight in the middle of town with my laptop (I want to sync it all up at work afterwards) on me.

CMcK

06-07-2008, 01:45 AM

I don't imagine there will be much of a queue anyway. This is Britain not New York.

http://www.geardiary.com/2008/07/04/let-freedom-ring-iphone-3g-style/

NekoFever

06-07-2008, 03:12 PM

You're probably right. Those who would care enough to queue are usually Apple fanboys (Macolytes :thumb:), and they tend to go to the launch events at the Apple stores. The nearest one to here is in Southampton, so they'll all be off up the M27.

If we can't preorder I'll just go a couple of hours before opening, whenever that ends up being. It's not worth the effort of queuing up overnight or anything like that.

I've never understood the American (mainly) obsession with queuing for ridiculous amounts of time for new devices. Some of them must be guerilla marketers or something because it always gets plenty of press.

NekoFever

07-07-2008, 09:27 AM

It's up for preorder on the O2 site, to be delivered by courier on Friday. Got my 16GB order in :thumb:

Taka

07-07-2008, 09:34 AM

Upgrade info has been released and I'm a little miffed. It seems that legit original iPhone customers wishing to upgrade will only be able to upgrade online which leaves people like me at the mercy of couriers and O2's assigned stock; I would much rather just queue up an hour or two before opening on Friday to guarantee I can get one on the day.

Now, I'm encountering all manner of errors on the upgrade site due to excessive load and I'vr had several 'upgrade codes' sent to me via text.

Not off to a good start...

HaHaUK

07-07-2008, 09:43 AM

Anyone know if theres a way to transfer all my SMS texts from my current iPhone to the new one? Tempted to upgrade but dont want to lose all my messages :(

Taka

07-07-2008, 10:02 AM

Doing a backup through iTunes and then a synch will do the job. I had to get a replacement iPhone soon after I first got it and that's what I had to do.

CMcK

07-07-2008, 10:03 AM

When you backup the contents of your origial phone in iTunes all that stuff will be transfered to your new phone.

Bit dissapointed about the courier service for the upgrades as I'll be away till Monday.

NekoFever

07-07-2008, 10:33 AM

Looks like the site's taking a battering now anyway. I couldn't even browse the store.

I hope my order went through all right because I haven't had email confirmation yet and the browser crashed before I could save or print off the page with my order number and such. I guess it takes a while to do all these credit checks and stuff, though, especially in the volume they must be getting now.

Taka

07-07-2008, 10:37 AM

This is really disappointing, there's also rumours now that there's no white version on offer for us!

If they would just let people upgrade instore and in person, there would be no lottery like it's become now.

Doesn't reflect well on O2 or on Apple.

ChrisF

07-07-2008, 11:56 AM

Looks like they've sold out of 16gb's now. Pre-ordered mine this morning just after 9 :thumb:

NekoFever

07-07-2008, 12:46 PM

Looks like they've sold out of 16gb's now. Pre-ordered mine this morning just after 9 :thumb:
You had email confirmation yet?

ChrisF

07-07-2008, 12:50 PM

You had email confirmation yet?

Yep, straight away. Ordered mine off the Business Shop though so not sure if its processed differently to the regular shop?

NekoFever

07-07-2008, 12:52 PM

Hmm, still nothing for me. Although I'm a new customer so they need to do a credit check.

Edit: I'm not alone (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=512319)

ChrisF

07-07-2008, 12:54 PM

Did you not get ANY email from them after ordering? I'm a new customer too so imagine they will credit (and director list) check me first.

The email I received was along the lines of:

Thank you for placing an order with O2 Business Shop.
Your order number is: XXXXXX.

Order Details
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